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oldnick



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:26 pm    Post subject: Feedback request: Salvia pratensis (37181) Reply with quote

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Specimen #362234

Taxon:Lamiaceae: Salvia verticillata L. ("Whorled Clary")

see message board

Other name:Lamiaceae: Salvia pratensis L. ("Meadow Clary")

as entered on H@H

Filed in taxon folder:Lamiaceae: Salvia pratensis L. ("Meadow Clary")
Collected by:Rev. Philip Henry Cooke
Collection date:12/9/1905
Locality:Great Britain, VC20 Hertfordshire, Amwell, TL3612, St Margaret's; Amwell Bury [TL363129 near Gt Amwell & St Margaret's N of Hoddesdon]
ex herb:London Natural History Society
Institution:South London Botanical Institute (SLBI)
Image:Salvia verticillata herbarium specimen from Amwell, VC20 Hertfordshire in 1905 by Rev. Philip Henry Cooke.
notes:[Salvia pratensis seems a mis-identification]

Documented by oldnick on 21st April 2013.

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22/04/2013oldnickAdded note: [Salvia pratensis seems a mis-identification]
22/04/2013oldnickDeleted locality: GB VC20 Amwell, St Margaret's; Amwell Bury
22/04/2013oldnickAdded locality: GB VC20 Amwell, St Margaret's; Amwell Bury [TL363129 near Gt Amwell & St Margaret's N of Hoddesdon] TL3612 (place)
25/04/2013oldnickDeleted determination (orig): Salvia pratensis
25/04/2013oldnickAdded determination (uncertain): Ballota nigra
25/04/2013oldnickAdded determination (orig): Salvia pratensis
25/04/2013oldnickAdded determiner's note: suggested by David Price 2013
25/04/2013oldnickAdded determiner's note: as entered on H@H
27/04/2013oldnickDeleted determination (uncertain): Ballota nigra
27/04/2013oldnickAdded determination (orig): Salvia verticillata
27/04/2013oldnickDeleted determiner's note: as entered on H@H
27/04/2013oldnickAdded determiner's note: see message board
27/04/2013oldnickAdded determiner's note: as entered on H@H

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oldnick wrote
Salvia pratensis seems a mis-identification. Amwell is S of Wheathampsted, Gt & Lt Amwell are S of Hertford and St Margaret's close by; I can't find Amwell Bury, but maps of all of these sites show Roman or earlier archaeology nearby


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Roger Horton



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a web page about Amwell Bury a country estate and shown on old OS maps at the point where Amwellbury Farm now stands, OS TL363129. The name only shows at scales of 1:25000 or larger.
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David Price



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like Ballota nigra.
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oldnick



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

David Price has looked closely at this specimen, and it definitely appears to be S verticilata; which he points out Cooke has another sheet labelled as such, from Great Amwell, http://herbariaunited.org/specimen/362376/
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