Feedback request: Viola riviniana (14971)

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Specimen #285324

Taxon:	Violaceae: Viola riviniana var. minor
Filed in taxon folder:	Violaceae: Viola riviniana var. minor
Collected by:	Rev. Augustin Ley
Collection date:	19/6/1885
Locality:	Great Britain, VC43 Radnorshire, Water-break-its-neck, SO16
ex herb:	Rev. Augustin Ley
Institution:	University of Birmingham (BIRM)
Image:
fruits/flowers:	mature flowers
notes:	Plantations Tall upright plant in large masses. The growth in large masses & the thick leaves seem to point to V. canina crassifolia Gronvall, E.S.G.

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by hallucigenia on 31^st December 2009.

Edit history

date	user	change
31/12/2009	mossysal	Deleted note: Plantations at water break it's [illegible] Tall upright plant in large masses. The growth in large masses [and] the thick leaves seem to point to V. canna crassifolia gronrall, E.S.S.
31/12/2009	mossysal	Added notes
31/12/2009	mossysal	Deleted locality: GB VC43
31/12/2009	mossysal	Added locality: GB VC43 Water-break-its-neck
31/12/2009	hallucigenia	Deleted note: Plantations Tall upright plant in large masses. The growth in large masses & the thick leaves seem to point to V. canina crassifolia Gronvall, E.S.S[almon].
31/12/2009	hallucigenia	Added note: Plantations Tall upright plant in large masses. The growth in large masses & the thick leaves seem to point to V. canina crassifolia Gronvall, E.S.G.

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hallucigenia wrote

N.B. No place name given but Ley was collecting at Llanfihangel nant Melan this date.
Illegible please

[mossysal]

Water-break-its-neck! [place]

[Chris Liffen]

The initials are (I think) ESG : Mrs Eliza Standerwick Gregory, who was an expert of the genus Viola.
see the H@H wiki http://herbariaunited.org/wiki/Eliza_Standerwick_Gregory_n%C3%A9e_BARNES

Regards
Chris

[hallucigenia]

Thanks to you both.
I could never even think of such an odd place name, or one could exist.

Chris

[mossysal]

And thanks to Chris Liffen for drawing my attention to my mistake and to ESG's expertise on Viola.
Have you now got access to the OS maps, Chris (Hallucigenia)? It does help with these difficult names.
In this case I did a specimen search for Ley on 19/6/1885 (I put the same date in both 'from' and 'to' boxes) and then looked at the map (which you can't do if you still can't access them!) I do remember having seen this name before though!

[Chris Liffen]

Several sheets at H@H were associated with ESS rather than ESG - because the G is remarkably "S like".
Best
Chris

[hallucigenia]

Sally
many thanks for your comments, yes I can get OS maps but they are not stable i.e. though I can zoom in and out they tend to g from very large to small or vice versa with nothing in between, but d you not need a place name to search for a map first?
I do use Multi Map and swap to OS which allows me to drag the map to and fro.
I think as I have no interest in word games of any sort, this does not help.
Chris