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Feedback request: Mentha suaveolens x longifolia = M. x rotundifolia (HU2007-03080034)

 
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oldnick



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:29 am    Post subject: Feedback request: Mentha suaveolens x longifolia = M. x rotu Reply with quote

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Specimen #232326

Taxon:Lamiaceae: Mentha suaveolens x longifolia = M. x rotundifolia var. webberi
named by J Fraser

M longifolia var nemorosa Willd otherwise x M miliaca Jacq var nemorosa Willd

Other name:Lamiaceae: Mentha suaveolens x longifolia = M. x rotundifolia var. webberi
confirmed by Rex Alan Henry Graham 12/10/1948

x M miliaca Jacq var Webberi Fraser

Filed in taxon folder:Lamiaceae: Mentha suaveolens x longifolia = M. x rotundifolia var. webberi
Locality:Great Britain, Perthshire, 'Newton Loan' [= lane]
ex herb:Druce Herbarium, Oxford
Institution:Oxford University (OXF)
Image:Mentha suaveolens x longifolia = M. x rotundifolia var. webberi herbarium specimen from Perthshire.
fruits/flowers:mature flowers
notes:[descriptive note by Fraser. no date or collector name] 'Sheet 2'?

Documented by fluid on 30th March 2007.

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12/01/2011oldnickDeleted determination (orig): Mentha suaveolens x longifolia = M. x rotundifolia var webberi on 12/10/1948
12/01/2011oldnickAdded determination (conf): Mentha suaveolens x longifolia = M. x rotundifolia var webberi on 12/10/1948
12/01/2011oldnickAdded determination (orig): Mentha suaveolens x longifolia = M. x rotundifolia var webberi
12/01/2011oldnickDeleted blank locality
12/01/2011oldnickAdded locality: GB VC87,VC88,VC89, 'Newton Leam' [??]
12/01/2011oldnickDeleted determiner: Rex Alan Henry Graham
12/01/2011oldnickAdded determiner: J Fraser
12/01/2011oldnickAdded determiner: Rex Alan Henry Graham
12/01/2011oldnickAdded determiner's note: this name appears to be correct
12/01/2011oldnickAdded determiner's note: Acer campestre v.hebecarpum (fruit pubescent - the typical form)
12/01/2011oldnickAdded notes
02/12/2014oldnickDeleted note: descriptive note by Fraser. 'Sheet 2'?
02/12/2014oldnickAdded note: [descriptive note by Fraser. no date or collector name] 'Sheet 2'?
02/12/2014oldnickDeleted locality: GB VC87,VC88,VC89, 'Newton Leam' [??]
02/12/2014oldnickAdded locality: GB VC87,VC88,VC89, 'Newton Loan' [= lane]
02/12/2014oldnickDeleted determiner's note: M longifolia var nemorosa Willd otherwise x M miliaca Jacq var nemorosa Willd
02/12/2014oldnickDeleted determiner's note: x M miliaca Jacq var Webberi Fraser
02/12/2014oldnickAdded determiner's note: M longifolia var nemorosa Willd otherwise x M miliaca Jacq var nemorosa Willd
02/12/2014oldnickAdded determiner's note: x M miliaca Jacq var Webberi Fraser

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oldnick wrote
I could not locate 'Newton Leam' [??] nor recognise collector's handwriting


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David Price



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Newton Loan, Perth".

I do not think 'Loan' is a significant part of the place name as it is merely the scotch word for a lane or cattle-track (cf. welsh 'lon').
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oldnick



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got no further with this vaguely labelled sheet, except I see there's a Newton Lane in Blairgowrie; but does http://herbariaunited.org/sheets/OXF/2007-03080045.jpg offer any similarity in its handwriting?
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David Price



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This spmn is numbered "(2)" (so h/w prob. is curatorial).

Is it, I wonder, related to http://herbariaunited.org/specimen/234833/ ?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great minds think alike? Our references are to the same sheet
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David Price



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.... and both were IDed by Rex Graham on the same day.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

see also http://archive.bsbi.org.uk/Wats4p119.pdf
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could this be the Newton Loan in Dunblane Perthshire, OS NN7801? It runs along the south side of the grounds of what is now the Dunblane Hotel Hydro, but was originally a house called Newton.

Botanical Soc. & Exchange Club Report for 1927 [pdf] (page 412) under New County and Other Records reports a specimen from Miss Young (only other sheet is 233694):

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