Feedback request: Salvia pratensis (37181)

[oldnick]

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Specimen #362234

Taxon:	Lamiaceae: Salvia verticillata L. ("Whorled Clary") see message board
Other name:	Lamiaceae: Salvia pratensis L. ("Meadow Clary") as entered on H@H
Filed in taxon folder:	Lamiaceae: Salvia pratensis L. ("Meadow Clary")
Collected by:	Rev. Philip Henry Cooke
Collection date:	12/9/1905
Locality:	Great Britain, VC20 Hertfordshire, Amwell, TL3612, St Margaret's; Amwell Bury [TL363129 near Gt Amwell & St Margaret's N of Hoddesdon]
ex herb:	London Natural History Society
Institution:	South London Botanical Institute (SLBI)
Image:
notes:	[Salvia pratensis seems a mis-identification]

Documented by oldnick on 21^st April 2013.

Edit history

date	user	change
22/04/2013	oldnick	Added note: [Salvia pratensis seems a mis-identification]
22/04/2013	oldnick	Deleted locality: GB VC20 Amwell, St Margaret's; Amwell Bury
22/04/2013	oldnick	Added locality: GB VC20 Amwell, St Margaret's; Amwell Bury [TL363129 near Gt Amwell & St Margaret's N of Hoddesdon] TL3612 (place)
25/04/2013	oldnick	Deleted determination (orig): Salvia pratensis
25/04/2013	oldnick	Added determination (uncertain): Ballota nigra
25/04/2013	oldnick	Added determination (orig): Salvia pratensis
25/04/2013	oldnick	Added determiner's note: as entered on H@H
25/04/2013	oldnick	Added determiner's note: suggested by David Price 2013
27/04/2013	oldnick	Deleted determination (uncertain): Ballota nigra
27/04/2013	oldnick	Added determination (orig): Salvia verticillata
27/04/2013	oldnick	Deleted determiner's note: as entered on H@H
27/04/2013	oldnick	Added determiner's note: see message board
27/04/2013	oldnick	Added determiner's note: as entered on H@H

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User comments about this sheet

oldnick wrote

Salvia pratensis seems a mis-identification. Amwell is S of Wheathampsted, Gt & Lt Amwell are S of Hertford and St Margaret's close by; I can't find Amwell Bury, but maps of all of these sites show Roman or earlier archaeology nearby

[Roger Horton]

There's a web page about Amwell Bury a country estate and shown on old OS maps at the point where Amwellbury Farm now stands, OS TL363129. The name only shows at scales of 1:25000 or larger.

[David Price]

It looks like Ballota nigra.

[oldnick]

David Price has looked closely at this specimen, and it definitely appears to be S verticilata; which he points out Cooke has another sheet labelled as such, from Great Amwell, http://herbariaunited.org/specimen/362376/