Feedback request: Festuca arundinacea subsp. arundinacea (K001063333)

[oldnick]

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Specimen #374576

Taxon:	Poaceae: Festuca arundinacea Schreb. ("Tall Fescue")
Filed in taxon folder:	Poaceae: Festuca arundinacea Schreb. ("Tall Fescue")
Collected by:	Mrs Olga Margaret Stewart
Collection date:	25/7/1975
Locality:	Great Britain, VC81 Berwickshire, Dunglass, NT77, near Cockburnspath, Dunglass towards Bilsden Creek near the sea
Institution:	Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew (K)
Accession number:	K001063333
Image: © Kew
collector's number:	OS 331/75
fruits/flowers:	seeds/fruits

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by ml.roberts on 8^th June 2014.

Checked by oldnick

Edit history

date	user	change
07/09/2014	xmhcman	Added attribute collector's number: OS 331/75
13/10/2014	oldnick	Deleted locality: GB Cockburnspath, near Cockburnspath, Dunglass towards Bilsden Creek near the sea NT7771 (place)
13/10/2014	oldnick	Added locality: GB VC81 Dunglass, near Cockburnspath, Dunglass towards Bilsden Creek near the sea
13/10/2014	oldnick	Added locality: GB NT767723 (place)
13/10/2014	oldnick	Deleted locality: GB NT767723 (place)

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User comments about this sheet

ml.roberts wrote

I am unclear about vice county, there is a pencilled note VC82 but this doesn't seem to match OS reference

oldnick wrote

Cockburnspath is in Northumberland, Dunglass in E Lothian VC82, and the route to Bilsdean Creek is right on the border, probably East Lothian; but on the h@h picklist, Dunglass is in Berwickshire. There could also be a complication of the modern boundary vs Vice County boundary perhaps?

[Roger Horton]

To clarify:
The two vice-counties are Berwickshire VC 81 and East Lothian VC 82.
Near the sea the administrative and VC boundaries are the same.
Cockburnspath is in VC 81.
Dunglass and Bilsdean Creek, although near Cockburnspath, are in VC 82.
The position of Bilsdean Creek is perhaps best seen on the OS 1:25000 map.

Local addresses add to the confusion, e.g. 'Estate Office, Dunglass Estate, Cockburnspath, Berwickshire TD13 5XF'!

[David Price]

Rather than "add to the confusion" a Postal Town in a neighbouring county is an example of the Rule "the collector is (almost) always right".

The concept of the Postal Town illustrates the practice of many collectors who identify a site by reference to the nearest town - which may be in a different VC. This should not cause us to agonise over the possibility that the collector has named the wrong VC.