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Roger Horton



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:11 pm    Post subject: Feedback request: Carex dioica (1133318) Reply with quote

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Specimen #386504

Taxon:Cyperaceae: Carex dioica L. ("Dioecious Sedge")
Filed in taxon folder:Cyperaceae: Carex dioica L. ("Dioecious Sedge")
Collected by:Rev. Harry Joseph Riddelsdell
Collection date:22/6/1916
Locality:Great Britain, VC33 East Gloucestershire, Seven Springs, SO9616, VII Spr
Institution:Natural History Museum (BM)
Accession number:1133318
Image:Carex dioica herbarium specimen from Seven Springs, VC33 East Gloucestershire in 1916 by Rev. Harry Joseph Riddelsdell.
fruits/flowers:seeds/fruits

Documented by xmhcman on 23rd February 2015.

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'VII Spr' assumed to mean 'Seven Springs' OS SO9616, VC33, and collector Rev. Harry Joseph Riddelsdell inferred from handwriting.


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geoff toone



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Riddelsdel 1948 Flora of Glos C. dioica is listed from 'district 7a Seven Springs, Windrush, Phyt., II, 884 ! [which means vouched for by R]; 1915 Hb Haines, and 1916, Hb Monty. Prentice recorded it in 1848 15 miles from Cheltenham.'
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Riddelsdel 1948 Flora of Glos C. dioica is listed from 'district 7a Seven Springs, Windrush, Phyt., II, 884 ! [which means vouched for by R]; 1915 Hb Haines, and 1916, Hb Monty. Prentice recorded it in 1848 15 miles from Cheltenham.'
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Roger Horton



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I find 'Seven Springs, Windrush' confusing as the river running from the springs is the Churn, the Windrush being several km to the east.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Names on modern maps can be deceptive!

The map in Riddelsdel's Flora of Gloucestershire (published posthumously, 1948) shows that the present Seven Springs would be in district 7b to the south of Cheltenham, whereas 7a is to the east and includes the Windrush valley.

The reference 'Phyt., II, 884' is to an article by Charles Prentice (13 June 1847) asking for addenda to the 'Flora of Cheltenham' (1844) by Mr Buckman, including:
    '15. C. dioica, L. Seven Springs, Naunton, on the Stow road.'

Along the modern B4068, (which may not follow exactly the old turnpike) is Eyford Park (OS SP1424) in and near which are several springs combining in the River Eye, a tributary of the Windrush. On modern roads Eyford is 15.3 miles from Cheltenham.

Britsh History Online says:

'The Stow-Gloucester road, a turnpike from 1755 to 1877, crossed the Ey brook by a ford until 1760 or later; the other public road through the parish is Buckle Street, which crosses the western boundary at Salter's Pool, a name indicating, perhaps, the antiquity of this route. Salter's Pool is one of many springs in the parish, which include Seven Springs or Charcoal Springs on the northern boundary...'

In the library of Cambridge University Herbarium, Christine Bartram found 'History of the County of Gloucester', Rev. Thomas Rudge, 1803, and has kindly provided this image from the map therein showing the '7 Springs'.



I think these are Riddelsdel's springs.
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