Feedback request: Carex atrata (12145)

[oldnick]

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Specimen #267869

Taxon:	Cyperaceae: Carex atrata L. ("Black Alpine-sedge")
Filed in taxon folder:	Cyperaceae: Carex atrata L. ("Black Alpine-sedge")
Collected by:	Prof Charles Cardale Babington
Collection date:	20/8/1847
Locality:	Great Britain, VC49 Caernarvonshire, Crib Goch, SH65, 'Coch y ddyalt' [?appears to represent Crib Goch - see message board]
ex herb:	William West (Bradford) Prof George Stephen West
Institution:	University of Birmingham (BIRM)
Image:
fruits/flowers:	mature flowers

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by rmwalls on 29^th November 2008.

Checked by oldnick

Edit history

date	user	change
04/03/2011	oldnick	Deleted locality: Coch y ddyalt
04/03/2011	oldnick	Added locality: Coch y ddyalt, ?[see message board!] SH6742 (place)
04/03/2011	oldnick	Deleted locality: Coch y ddyalt, ?[see message board!] SH6742 (place)
04/03/2011	oldnick	Added locality: Coch y ddyalt, ?[see message board!] SH674425 (place)
04/03/2011	oldnick	Deleted locality: Coch y ddyalt, ?[see message board!] SH674425 (place)
04/03/2011	oldnick	Added locality: GB VC48, ? Coch y ddyalt[see message board!] SH674425 (place)
24/10/2011	mossysal	Deleted locality: GB VC48, ? Coch y ddyalt[see message board!] SH674425 (place)
24/10/2011	mossysal	Added locality: GB VC49, ? Coch y ddyalt[see message board!]
24/10/2011	mossysal	Deleted locality: GB VC49, ? Coch y ddyalt[see message board!]
24/10/2011	mossysal	Added locality: GB VC49, ? Coch y ddyalt
12/06/2015	oldnick	Deleted locality: GB VC49, ? Coch y ddyalt
12/06/2015	oldnick	Added locality: GB VC49 Crib Goch, 'Coch y ddyalt' [?appears to represent Crib Goch - see message board]

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oldnick wrote

I couldn't locate this site. Babington collected from Snowdonia at this time.

[mossysal]

The nearest Dduallt to Clogwyn y Garnedd where he apparently collected on the same day, is around Moel Dduallt at
OS Grid reference SH674425

I think it may say COED y Dduallt - and there is a wood under the summit of this hill. However it is quite a long way [for 1847] to C y Garnedd [c 15km as the crow flies]. It has opened up a whole can of worms re CCB's dates - see my note on Collectors Forum

[mossysal]

Further thoughts: C. atrata has only ever been recorded in VC49 (or Wales) in SH65 and the only Dduallt there is on Moel Hebog which is outwith the hectad. I think Babington may have been mistaken in the place name and anyway it is surely not the location I previously suggested.

[Roger Horton]

According to Babington's Journal this must be on Snowdon. Under August 1847 he describes a walk from his base in Llanberis:

"Aug. 20. Ascended Snowdon as far as the Bwlch Glas, then
across to the top of Clogwyn-ddûr-Arddû, then down the slope to
the base of Crib-y-ddysgyl, and along its base to near the slope of
grass by Crib Goch. Found Carex atrata, Aspidium lonchitis,
Sausurea, etc. Returned down the watercourse through Cwm Glas."

[oldnick]

Whether West's label is a conflation of Crib Goch and Crib-y-ddysgl, these places on Snowdon would match Mossysal's grid ref, being at SH6255; so I'm editing in Crib Goch - thanks!