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oldnick



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:32 am    Post subject: Feedback request: Draba muralis (84) Reply with quote

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Specimen #312691

Taxon:Brassicaceae: Draba muralis L. ("Wall Whitlowgrass")
Filed in taxon folder:Brassicaceae: Draba muralis L. ("Wall Whitlowgrass")
Collection date:10/5/1921
Locality:Great Britain, VC36 Herefordshire, Ledbury, SO73, Wall top near Ledbury [Bickham's abode; mistranscribed as 'Sedbury']
ex herb:Mr Spencer Henry Bickham
Mr Isaac A Helsby
exchanged:Watson Botanical Exchange Club
Institution:South London Botanical Institute (SLBI)
Image:Draba muralis herbarium specimen from Ledbury, VC36 Herefordshire in 1921.
fruits/flowers:seeds/fruits
notes:'Draba muralis, Speedwell-leaved Whitlow-grass'

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by mossysal on 2nd January 2011.

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24/11/2011oldnickDeleted locality: GB VC34 Sedbury, Wall top near
24/11/2011oldnickAdded locality: GB VC34 Sedbury, Wall top near [see message board!]
24/11/2011oldnickDeleted locality: GB VC34 Sedbury, Wall top near [see message board!]
24/11/2011oldnickAdded locality: GB VC36 Ledbury, Wall top near [see message board!]
22/09/2015oldnickDeleted locality: GB VC36 Ledbury, Wall top near [see message board!]
22/09/2015oldnickAdded locality: GB VC36 Ledbury, Wall top near Ledbury [Bickham's abode; mistranscribed as 'Sedbury']
22/09/2015oldnickAdded note: 'Draba muralis, Speedwell-leaved Whitlow-grass'

Specimen #312692

Taxon:Brassicaceae: Draba muralis L. ("Wall Whitlowgrass")
Filed in taxon folder:Brassicaceae: Draba muralis L. ("Wall Whitlowgrass")
Collection date:7/5/1928
Locality:
ex herb:Mr George Claridge Druce
Mr Isaac A Helsby
Institution:South London Botanical Institute (SLBI)
fruits/flowers:seeds/fruits
notes:small plant from Dr Druce [no site info]

Documented by mossysal on 2nd January 2011.

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22/09/2015oldnickDeleted note: small plant from Dr Druce
22/09/2015oldnickAdded note: small plant from Dr Druce [no site info]

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oldnick wrote
Sedbury or Ledbury? I suspect a transcription error for the latter, which I think is more Bickham's area. I have seen labels in his handwriting where his L in Ledbury is superficially like an S


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mossysal



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an old record for D muralis from ST59 [Sedbury] and none from SO63 [Ledbury]. On checking further though, this is a sheet from Bickham so the same error may have been perpetuated - well spotted! Having spent a while on this I am sure you are right.
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David Price



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the record Ledbury is SO73 and New Atlas has a pre 1970 for this sp. In both Ledbury and Sedbury it was an alien.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, thank you. that one was also Bickham's collection from the same date 10/5/1921 in BM. "Now extinct". Classed as casual although native on limestone. Why do we not consider ferns on mortared walls to be aliens, I wonder? Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This can't be Draba muralis - the fruits and leaves are completely unlike!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, it is Draba muralis - my mistake, I'd been looking at Diplotaxis muralis ......... duh.
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