Feedback request: Veronica arvensis (200705151710_0786)

[oldnick]

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Specimen #242705

Taxon:	Scrophulariaceae: Veronica arvensis L. ("Wall Speedwell")
Filed in taxon folder:	Scrophulariaceae: Veronica arvensis L. ("Wall Speedwell")
Collection date:	5/1877
Locality:	Great Britain, VC16 West Kent, Charlton, TQ47, given as Victoria Road, Old Charlton, Kent
Institution:	Aberystwyth University Herbarium (ABS)
Image:
fruits/flowers:	buds/immature flowers

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by CLL on 29^th December 2007.

Edit history

date	user	change
05/04/2016	oldnick	Deleted locality: GB VC15 Old Charlton, given as Victoria Road, Old Charlton, Kent
05/04/2016	oldnick	Added locality: GB VC16 Charlton, given as Victoria Road, Old Charlton, Kent

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oldnick wrote

Old Charlton seems to be an obsolete name, and the slight references I can find to such a place seem to point to Charlton near Woolwich (where the map has a 'New Charlton'). Tom Humphrey on a similar sheet http://herbariaunited.org/specimen/269692/ enters “Based on many other similar sheets this refers to Old Charlton, West Kent rather than Charlton Park, East Kent” but of the 5 similar sheets this is the only one naming 'Old Charlton'. Tom's note must refer to a) the Charlton Park at Charlton near Woolwich, and b) Charlton Park near Kingston between Canterbury & Dover. It is the latter site that pops up on the h@h picklist, but with no specimens certainly from there. I can't find any trace of a Victoria Road in Charlton near Woolwich however. The 5 sheets have the style of the 'Doncaster & Huntingdon collectors' and one names 'R' who is one of them

[Roger Horton]

Kent Online Parish Clerks says "Charlton St. Paul, or Old Charlton, lies in the current borough of Greenwich". No sign of a Victoria Road, but Streetmap shows Victoria Way running S from TQ406783.

[oldnick]

Yes, another reference is to St Lukes, Old Charlton, but I couldn't even trace the church. I think I'll re-edit the site as Charlton, Woolwich, I don't see any likely alternative. Makes you pity the postmen of those days

[Roger Horton]

Look on OS 6" map 1870 SW of where it says WOOLWICH. It shows St Luke's church and Victoria Road on the line of the present Victoria Way.

[oldnick]

Excellent! All looks very pretty on the map. Time travel, anyone? Though of course some of today's beauty spots were dominated by smokey factories at that time!

[oldnick]

ps Charlton Park E Glos SO9521, near Leckhampton, Cheltenham, features on 13 sheets of C E Robinson