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Mike d'Apice · Joined: 09 Sep 2009 Posts: 693

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Specimen #281183

Taxon:	Apiaceae: Petroselinum segetum (L.) W.D.J. Koch ("Corn Parsley")
Filed in taxon folder:	Apiaceae: Petroselinum segetum (L.) W.D.J. Koch ("Corn Parsley")
Collection date:	8/1879
Locality:	Great Britain, North Wales
communicated:	Prof George Stephen West
Institution:	University of Birmingham (BIRM)
Image:
fruits/flowers:	mature flowers

Documented by mikedaps on 26^th October 2009.

Edit history

date	user	change
27/10/2009	mikedaps	Added notes
27/10/2009	mikedaps	Added collector: William West (Bradford)
27/10/2009	mikedaps	Deleted note: William West (1848-1914) is recorded collecting in Yorkshire (Doncaster) in Aug 79
27/10/2009	mikedaps	Added notes
30/10/2009	tom humphrey	Deleted note: West was collecting in W Yorkshire (Doncaster) in Aug 79
30/10/2009	tom humphrey	Deleted locality:
30/10/2009	tom humphrey	Added locality: GB North Wales
30/10/2009	tom humphrey	Deleted collector: William West (Bradford)

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mikedaps wrote: Anyone interpret the initials/signature at bottom right? W?M???

mossysal · Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 1669

William West?

Mike d'Apice · Joined: 09 Sep 2009 Posts: 693

Yes... the writing does look quite like his for that month/year - guess he was rushing as missed of where he was.. Amended. Thanks. Mike d'A

David Price · Joined: 05 Jul 2007 Posts: 2214

The handwriting is G S West's and the locality "N. Wales" (where he was collecting in August 1879.

mossysal · Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 1669

Thanks for that. I read it as W W - not N Wales! Embarassed

Mike d'Apice · Joined: 09 Sep 2009 Posts: 693

The database doesn't like Prof G S West doing anything in Aug 79 as 1876-1919- is there another G S West or or is the Prof's dob wrong?? Mike d'A

Tom Humphrey · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:51 pm Post subject:

G.S.'s dates are correct so unless he was a remarkable child prodigy then he probably wasn't the collector.

There are three West collectors represented in the B'ham collection:

William West 22/2/1848-14/5/1914
and two sons
William (1875-1901)
and
George Stephen (1876 – 1919) who inherited both his father's and brother's collections.

Tom Humphrey · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject:

Is anything known about W Nuttall, as there's a specimen from Barmouth, ex herb GS West from the same month? All the other ex. GS West's from Wales in that period have no collector.

Mike d'Apice · Joined: 09 Sep 2009 Posts: 693

From some googling
There is another mention of W Nuttall - along with G S West as (I think) identifying an algae in the records of a Yorkshire society:

The naturalist: journal of the Yorkshire Naturalist' Union, and General: Page 117 Gleocystis vesiculosa (An algae), Naeg. Rawcliffe, W Nuttall and W West at

http://books.google.com/books?id=oL8EAAAAQAAJ&q=%22W+Nuttall%22++plants&dq=%22W+Nuttall%22++plants&lr=&num=20

(To see any more appears to cost £!)

Most other refs to W Nuttall are for an electrician or his illustrious US contemporary L W Nuttall. Our one doesn't get a listing in the Encyclopadeia of British Botanists (which seems to list with brief biographies the three Wests and many others collectors)

http://books.google.com/books?id=thmPzIltAV8C&pg=PA806&lpg=PA806&dq=%22Cumming+L%22+Botany&source=bl&ots=9Er4hLifR_&sig=cZYkpdCu63aUek7qxdYCRxwcTCc&hl=en&ei=aYXlStmNJYmZjAfJzL2hBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Seems there is little easily found about him - if he turns out to have also been a muscian and lived in Lancashire he may look like:

http://www.bacuptimes.co.uk/band-1905-1914.htm

In absence of light from which - Do you reckon the scribbled signature should be recorded as 'illegible + note of possibles', W West (Senior) or W Nuttall?

Tom Humphrey · Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:15 am Post subject:

I don't think it's West as he was fairly convincingly in Yorkshire at the time (and there are too many Welsh collections to account for).

I've left a comment on the sheet that it could be Nuttall - but this is really speculative.

regards,

Tom

Mike d'Apice · Joined: 09 Sep 2009 Posts: 693

Thanks, Mike d'A

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