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Mike d'Apice



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:06 pm    Post subject: Feedback request: Crocus vernus (16541) Reply with quote

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Specimen #281621

Taxon:Iridaceae: Crocus vernus (L.) Hill ("Spring Crocus")
Other name:Crocus officinalis Hudson.
Filed in taxon folder:Iridaceae: Crocus vernus (L.) Hill ("Spring Crocus")
Collected by:J B Morrel
Collection date:3/1887
Locality:Great Britain, VC56 Nottinghamshire, Nottingham, SK54
ex herb:Mr Harold Stuart Thompson
Institution:University of Birmingham (BIRM)
Image:Crocus vernus herbarium specimen from Nottingham, VC56 Nottinghamshire in 1887 by J B Morrel.
fruits/flowers:mature flowers
Filing note:Crocus purpureus

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by mikedaps on 1st November 2009.

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08/12/2009mikedapsAdded notes
27/08/2012mossysalDeleted note: J B Morrel possibly John Bowes Morrel (1873-1963)

Specimen #281622

Taxon:Iridaceae: Crocus vernus (L.) Hill ("Spring Crocus")
Filed in taxon folder:Iridaceae: Crocus vernus (L.) Hill ("Spring Crocus")
Collected by:Mr Thomas Clark
Collection date:1854
Locality:Great Britain, VC56 Nottinghamshire, Nottingham, SK54, Near Nottingham
ex herb:Mr Thomas Clark
Institution:University of Birmingham (BIRM)
fruits/flowers:mature flowers
Filing note:Crocus purpureus

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by mikedaps on 1st November 2009.

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27/08/2012mossysalAdded collector: Mr Thomas Clark

Specimen #281623

Taxon:Iridaceae: Crocus vernus (L.) Hill ("Spring Crocus")
Filed in taxon folder:Iridaceae: Crocus vernus (L.) Hill ("Spring Crocus")
Collected by:Mr Herbert William Pugsley
Collection date:19/3/1924
Locality:Great Britain, VC17 Surrey, Malden, TQ26, In meadow
communicated:Mr Herbert William Pugsley
Institution:University of Birmingham (BIRM)
fruits/flowers:mature flowers
Filing note:Crocus purpureus

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by mikedaps on 1st November 2009.

Checked by mossysal

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27/08/2012mossysalDeleted locality: GB VC17 Malden, "In meadow"
27/08/2012mossysalAdded locality: GB VC17 Malden, In meadow

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mikedaps wrote
Bottom left Label: The collector seems to be clearly listed as J B Morrel - I can find no trace of such a chap or any close variations - Anybody found him before / elsewhere or have I misread the seemingly clear writing?


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oldnick



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazingly I have heard of this person, name as spelt - There is a building named after him at York University, the J B Morrel library! Though I know nothing about him and did not know he was in any way a botanist.
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Chris Liffen



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fwiw
quote from york.ac.uk
"This is the main University Library and is named after John Bowes Morrell, a former Lord Mayor of York and a leading figure in the local movement to establish a university in York."
http://genealogy.links.org/links-cgi/readged?/home/ben/camilla-genealogy/current+c-morrell85523+2-2-0-1-0
He was born in 1873.
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mossysal



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bowes_Morrell
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Mike d'Apice



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On googling the name I hadn't noticed the Morrell's second 'L' seems to be optional - their aren't any J B Morrels in the 1891 census, but two J B Morrells, the other is a Jane B (b. 1874 a year after John) but born and still living at Belper, just 10 miles from Nottingham where specimen collected, while John was seemingly raised in Yorkshire, so Jane might have had the better opportunity if no, yet, known motive for collecting plants as a teenager... Guess John Bowes M the better bet pro temp: Added note. Thanks. Mike d'A
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David Price



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the love of Flora burns in a teenager's breast, no other motive is required for collecting botanical specimens. I expect the alternative spelling of Morrell's name was careless rather than optional. What speaks in favour of Morrell is his Quakerism - Quaker collectors are highly represented in HST's herbarium.
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Mike d'Apice



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guess that confirms it - HST was educated at the Bootham (a Quaker) school, York so as John B M was also a Quaker, living in York a good bet he went there also, with HST a few years senior to him. The Bootham's Archive page details "Natural History Journal (1834-1902). The School’s Natural History Society is thought to be the oldest society of its kind in Britain, founded in 1834 by John Ford.": Presumably the pupils were required/encouraged or at least had the opportunity for Botanical collecting while there, JBM included. Mike d'A
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