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Mike d'Apice



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:26 pm    Post subject: Feedback request: Lycopus europaeus (20560) [MAB query] Reply with quote

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Specimen #282417

Taxon:Lamiaceae: Lycopus europaeus L. ("Gypsywort")
Filed in taxon folder:Lamiaceae: Lycopus europaeus L. ("Gypsywort")
Collected by:Mary Ann Brooks
Locality:Great Britain, VC20 Hertfordshire, "Ditch woodside"
communicated:Mary Ann Brooks
Institution:University of Birmingham (BIRM)
Image:Lycopus europaeus herbarium specimen from VC20 Hertfordshire by Mary Ann Brooks.
fruits/flowers:buds/immature flowers
notes:1. Sheet details collector as M A B: Initials/writing matches specimens with herbaria labels attributing the 'Col:' to M A Brooks.
2. Brooks documented (so far) as collecting in 1840s

Documented by mikedaps on 9th November 2009.

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dateuserchange
10/11/2009mikedapsDeleted collector: M A Brooks
10/11/2009mikedapsDeleted provenance: comm M A Brooks
10/11/2009mikedapsAdded collector: M A B
10/11/2009mikedapsAdded provenance: comm M A B

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mikedaps wrote
On previous MAB ones I had't noticed the match with Brooks: As can't see how to search for the ones I documented for their donor, if going through all the MAB linked specimens is it worth reattributing them, where they also fit, to Brooks? - From the admittedly few other M A B specimens looked at they all match his initials and script on the ones attributed to M A Brooks by their old B'ham Uni labels.

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Tom Humphrey
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not seen any original labels that link MAB with M A Brooks, and can't find any info about him. There's a retyped label here:
http://herbariaunited.org/specimen/256553/
but that may not be definitive. (If it is Brooks then that would resolve a problem affecting hundreds of sheets)

Can anyone shed any light on this?

In the meantime please continue to document the sheets as MAB - once the full name is found I can change everything in one go (so cataloging as MAB isn't a problem).

regards,

Tom
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David Price



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been occasional desultory posts about the identity of MAB commencing about 18 months ago. The circumstantial evidence suggests Mary Ann Brooks (c. 1820 - c. 1848) of Flitwick Manor; she may have been a member of the Botanical Society of London. I believe the Brooks family papers are at Bedford Museum and doubtless the answer will be found there.
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Mike d'Apice



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom: Suspect you’ve already ruled her about but perhaps another candidate for M A B might be Miss Alicia Barnard: From Wiki/Dictionary of B of BIsles and Ire:
Barnard, Alicia Mildred (1825-1911) b 22mar 1825 d. Norwhich Norfolk 1 may 1911 Grand-niece of Sir J E Smith (1759-1828). Sister of Francis Barnard….
A bryophytologist and illustrator. Her herbarium is (or was) at the Norwich Museum.
The H@H has 3 sheets for her but none have photographs on line, which have a partial overlap with MAB’s VCs (6, 20, 29) and follow the few dated MAB sheets (41-48 ) as collected 1849-50. There are a further 5 recorded for her partially consecutive with MABs at the:
Wisbech and Fenland Museum herbarium – A history with a list of collectors @
http://www.watsonia.org.uk/2435Nelson.pdf
Details: 5 Specimens. Barnard A M 1825-1911. Collected 1847 1849-50 in VC 16, 20, 27 and 36. In interim will correct this one’s collector to MAB if not to rely on the printed Herbarium label. Regards Mike d’A
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