Feedback request: Cirsium heterophyllum (200705171206_4332)

[mossysal]

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Specimen #249795

Taxon:	Asteraceae: Cirsium heterophyllum (L.) Hill ("Melancholy Thistle")
Other name:	Compositae: Cirsium helenioides (L.) Hill
Filed in taxon folder:	Asteraceae: Cirsium heterophyllum (L.) Hill ("Melancholy Thistle")
Collection date:	31/7/1909
Locality:	Great Britain, VC48 Merionethshire, Arenig, SH8339
ex herb:	Henry Haselfoot Haines
Institution:	Aberystwyth University Herbarium (ABS)
Image:
fruits/flowers:	seeds/fruits

Documented by CLL on 22^nd January 2008.

Reviewed by Sarah Stille (mossysal)

Edit history

date	user	change
10/10/2008	keith barnett	Added notes
07/12/2009	mossysal	Deleted locality: GB VC48 Arenig Fach
07/12/2009	mossysal	Added locality: GB VC48 Arenig
11/10/2011	oldnick	Added provenance: exherb Henry Haselfoot Haines
11/10/2011	oldnick	Deleted note: no collector named
11/10/2011	oldnick	Deleted locality: GB VC48 Arenig
11/10/2011	oldnick	Added locality: GB VC48 Arenig SH84 (place)
15/11/2011	mossysal	Deleted locality: GB VC48 Arenig SH84 (place)
15/11/2011	mossysal	Added locality: GB VC48 Arenig SH8339 (place)

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User comments about this sheet

mossysal wrote

This writing is very distinctive and I feel I should know it but there is no other collection documented from the area at this time.

[Chris Liffen]

This hand writing is often attributed to Henry Haselfoot Haines - the Conservator of Forests in India (mainly due to pencil notes on some of the sheets). However, if you look at the writing on his specimens at Kew or those at Aberdeen then there is no resemblance to this.
He had various nieces and nephews who were also keen botanists eg. Sylvia Haines - so it is possible that these sheets were part of some 'family' collection. His brother Frederick (Dorset Doctor) was an expert on spiders and many of his collection form part of the Hope Collection at Oxford.
See H@H wiki http://herbariaunited.org/wiki/Henry_Haselfoot_Haines
Chris

[mossysal]

Thanks very much for reminding me!
Yes, I now remember seeing it on his sheets, though not for a while. His niece Sylvia has a very neat hand but not this stylised one with its serifs: it might perhaps be a 'special' style for herbarium label?