Feedback request: Bromus thominii (25344)

[hallucigenia]

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Specimen #287845

Taxon:	Poaceae: Bromus racemosus L. ("Smooth Brome") named by James B Phipps 1960
Other name:	Poaceae: Bromus hordeaceus subsp. thominei (Hardouin) Braun-Blanq. ("Sand Soft-brome") named by Philip M Smith 11/1962 indeterminate
Filed in taxon folder:	Poaceae: Bromus hordeaceus subsp. thominei (Hardouin) Braun-Blanq. ("Sand Soft-brome")
Collected by:	Rev. Augustin Ley
Collection date:	19/6/1870
Locality:	Great Britain, VC36 Herefordshire, Lyonshall Park, SO3257, Grass field
ex herb:	Rev. Augustin Ley
Institution:	University of Birmingham (BIRM)
Image:
notes:	with [Bromus] commut[atus]

Documented by hallucigenia on 30^th January 2010.

Checked by mossysal

Edit history

date	user	change
01/02/2010	mossysal	Added note: with [Bromus] commut[atus]
01/02/2010	mossysal	Deleted locality: GB VC36 Lyonshall, Grars Field
01/02/2010	mossysal	Added locality: GB VC36 Lyonshall Park, Grass field SO3257 (place)
01/02/2010	mossysal	Deleted attribute flowerField: fruiting
01/02/2010	mossysal	Deleted determination (orig): Bromus thominii on 1960
01/02/2010	mossysal	Deleted determination (orig): Bromus thominii on 11/1962
01/02/2010	mossysal	Added determination (orig): Bromus racemosus on 1960
01/02/2010	mossysal	Added determination (orig): Bromus hordeaceus subsp. thominei on 11/1962
01/02/2010	mossysal	Deleted determiner: Philip M Smith
01/02/2010	mossysal	Deleted determiner: Dr James B Phipps
01/02/2010	mossysal	Added determiner: Philip M Smith
01/02/2010	mossysal	Added determiner: Dr James B Phipps
01/02/2010	mossysal	Added determiner's note: Acer campestre v.hebecarpum (fruit pubescent - the typical form)
02/02/2010	hallucigenia	Deleted determiner's note: indeterminate
02/02/2010	hallucigenia	Added determiner's note: Artemisia sp.

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User comments about this sheet

hallucigenia wrote

Comment on sheet please?

[Chris Liffen]

Mark(?) with comment

Chris

[mossysal]

I am not happy about this determination. Smith was unsure about it (Indet) and Phipps presumably thought it was B. racemosus as on the sheet. Who det-ed it as B. thominei? [B. hordeaceus subsp thominei] Surely he/she should be credited?
The new BSBI handbook isn't very helpful and I don't think it should be done from the sheet photo?