Feedback request: Spartina maritima (29509)

[oldnick]

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Specimen #289699

Taxon:	Poaceae: Spartina maritima (Curtis) Fernald ("Small Cord-grass")
Filed in taxon folder:	Poaceae: Spartina maritima (Curtis) Fernald ("Small Cord-grass")
Collection date:	8/1836
Locality:	Great Britain, VC11 South Hampshire, Southampton, SU41, Shore of the Itchen River [mis-spelt 'Ititchin' or even 'Hitchin'!]
ex herb:	Prof George Stephen West
Institution:	University of Birmingham (BIRM)
Image:
fruits/flowers:	seeds/fruits
notes:	Not a common plant. [possible collector: see message board]

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by hallucigenia on 17^th February 2010.

Edit history

date	user	change
17/06/2010	oldnick	Deleted note: Not a common plant.
17/06/2010	oldnick	Added notes
17/06/2010	oldnick	Deleted locality: GB VC11 River Itchen, Shore of the Itchen River
17/06/2010	oldnick	Added locality: GB VC11 Southampton, Shore of the Itchen River [spelt 'Hitchin'!]
17/06/2010	oldnick	Added collector: Miss Martha Maria Atwood
17/06/2010	oldnick	Deleted collection date: 8/1838
17/06/2010	oldnick	Added collection date: 8/1836
18/06/2010	oldnick	Deleted locality: GB VC11 Southampton, Shore of the Itchen River [spelt 'Hitchin'!]
18/06/2010	oldnick	Added locality: GB VC11 Southampton, Shore of the Itchen River [mis-spelt 'Ititchin' or even 'Hitchin'!]
18/06/2010	oldnick	Deleted collector: Miss Martha Maria Atwood
18/06/2010	oldnick	Added provenance: comm Miss Martha Maria Atwood
18/06/2010	oldnick	Added collector: Rev. Henry Roberts
23/07/2010	oldnick	Deleted note: Not a common plant. [collector: see message board]
23/07/2010	oldnick	Added note: Not a common plant. [possible collector: see message board]
23/07/2010	oldnick	Deleted collector: Rev. Henry Roberts
23/07/2010	oldnick	Deleted provenance: comm Miss Martha Maria Atwood

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oldnick wrote

Collector inferred: A number of similar sheets may have all been collected by H Roberts?? (or M M Atwood?) eg see http://herbariaunited.org/specimen/297041/
however Attwood collected only in Cardiganshire between Jul & Sept 1836.

[mossysal]

What about http://herbariaunited.org/sheets/BIRM/24370.jpg?
There are a few McCreight specimens from S. Hants on the database but only this one with a visible label. He could have collected it and comm Atwood?

[oldnick]

good detecting! Macreight also collected Spartina maritima from Portsmouth http://herbariaunited.org/specimen/290445/ and all his specimens are from that part of the world as per Roberts, also comparable dates. On the other hand, unlike Macreight, every one of Roberts' specimens was comm M M Atwood (why?) so I still favour him; therefore no handwriting examples of his (though I suspect their handwritings were both much the usual of that era, hers more distinctive, and combined on some labels) Incidentally, when the menu has different versions of one name (eg initials vs full name) isn't it frustrating that they lead to different sets of specimens?

[oldnick]

Update from David Price:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TFsCAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=proceedings+botanical+society+london&source=bl&ots=oA5oLshwBE&sig=Y9pTadhH8_66fZLuoHmBSHV2MLU&hl=en&ei=wQFGTKPgDpXNjAe40dH0Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CEIQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

is Procs Bot Soc London and on page 52 (29th November 1837) mention is made of "Spartina Alternifolia from Itchin Ferry, Southampton, presented by Dr Mcreight" which may cast some light on http://herbariaunited.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4381 which is not an Atwood plant (& prob not Roberts either).

(nb this H@H specimen is labelled Spartina stricta '....spiked Cord-grass' 8/1836 & doesn't specify the Ferry. Contrary to the other H@H specimens, I am accordingly deleting M M Atwood & Roberts from this entry). Need to also re-check Mcreight's handwriting etc.