Feedback request: Saxifraga hypnoides (5299)

[Mike d'Apice]

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Specimen #282155

Taxon:	Saxifragaceae: Saxifraga hypnoides L. ("Mossy Saxifrage")
Filed in taxon folder:	Saxifragaceae: Saxifraga hypnoides L. ("Mossy Saxifrage")
Collected by:	Rev. Augustin Ley
Collection date:	8/6/1881
Locality:	Great Britain, VC36 Herefordshire, Olchon Valley, SO32, "Taren on the Hatteral side Olchon dingle"
communicated:	Rev. Augustin Ley
Institution:	University of Birmingham (BIRM)
Image:
fruits/flowers:	mature flowers
notes:	A 'Taren' or 'Darren' is a topographical feature in the Black Mountains - a rocky outcrop. The Hatteral ridge separates the Llanthony and Olchon valleys.

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by mikedaps on 6^th November 2009.

Checked by keith barnett

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date	user	change
07/11/2009	mikedaps	Added note: A 'Taren' or 'Darren' is a topographical feature in the Black Mountains - a rocky outcrop. The Hatteral ridge separates the Llanthony and Olchon valleys.
07/11/2009	mikedaps	Deleted locality: GB VC36 Olchon Valley, "Taken on the flatterned ride Olchion shingle"
07/11/2009	mikedaps	Added locality: GB VC36 Olchon Valley, "Taren on the Hatteral side Olchon dingle"
07/01/2010	keith barnett	Added collector: Rev. Augustin Ley

Specimen #282156

Taxon:	Saxifragaceae: Saxifraga hypnoides L. ("Mossy Saxifrage")
Filed in taxon folder:	Saxifragaceae: Saxifraga hypnoides L. ("Mossy Saxifrage")
Collected by:	Rev. Augustin Ley
Collection date:	10/7/1870
Locality:	Great Britain, Sutherland, Ben More Assynt, NC31
communicated:	Rev. Augustin Ley
Institution:	University of Birmingham (BIRM)
fruits/flowers:	mature flowers

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by mikedaps on 6^th November 2009.

Checked by keith barnett

Edit history

date	user	change
07/01/2010	keith barnett	Added collector: Rev. Augustin Ley
15/11/2010	oldnick	Deleted locality: GB VC107 Ben More
15/11/2010	oldnick	Added locality: GB VC107,VC108 Ben More Assynt

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mikedaps wrote

My best guess for the top note makes little sense . Any better interpretation?

[David Price]

"Taren on the Hatteral side Olchon dingle"
Taren or Darren is a frequent topographical feature in the Black Mountains - a rocky outcrop.
The Hatteral ridge separates the Llanthony and Olchon valleys.

[Mike d'Apice]

Many thanks - Curiosity: where does one find out the meaning of obscure localised(?assuming they are?) geographic terms - I must admit that only looked up Dingle and gave up as appeared to be an Irish place name hence plumping wrongly for shingle??? Mike d'A

[oldnick]

Grid ref for Ben More in Sutherlandshire (= Ben More Assynt) = NC31

[mossysal]

Welsh is even worse than that as Taren (Tarren) = Daren (Darren) and so do the alternatives Pen/Ben, Mawr/Fawr and so on (soft mutations). There are dictionaries online but that's another can of worms - but you could try http://www.geiriadur.net/
Also many English botanists especially in the 19th C wrote names down as they thought they heard them, disregarding the Welsh (phonetic) spelling.

[Mike d'Apice]

Many thanks for the link - Seems to be a better translator than the ones I've tried before and the various lists of place names ..

[David Price]

Welsh place names, other than those associated with churches and saints (any Llan- name) are topographical. Dingle (a deep, wooded dell) is Pant in welsh (contrast Pont, a bridge). Mynydd, a mountain; Aber, a confluence; Morfa, a coastal moor; Rhos, a damp heath; Tre or tref, a settlement; Caer, a hill fort or Roman camp; Coed, a wood; all give you an idea of the local landscape.