Feedback request: Epipactis helleborine (4661)

[mossysal]

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Specimen #229959

Taxon:	Orchidaceae: Epipactis helleborine (L.) Crantz ("Broad-leaved Helleborine")
Filed in taxon folder:	Orchidaceae: Epipactis helleborine (L.) Crantz ("Broad-leaved Helleborine")
Collected by:	Mr John Barrow
Collection date:	25/8/1866
Locality:	Great Britain, VC57 Derbyshire, Goyt Valley, SK0177
ex herb:	Mr John Barrow Mr Charles Bailey
Institution:	Manchester Museum (MANCH)
Image:
notes:	sheet marked P4661 label marked 1612 and 1340 'shines valley' not recognised by google!

Documented by keith barnett on 13^th December 2006.

Edit history

date	user	change
09/01/2012	<system> (minor automatic edit)	Deleted provenance: exherb (Manchester Museum)
09/01/2012	<system> (minor automatic edit)	Added provenance: exherb (Manchester Museum)
09/01/2012	mossysal	Deleted locality: GB VC57 Shines Valley
09/01/2012	mossysal	Added locality: GB VC57 Goyt Valley SK0173
09/01/2012	mossysal	Deleted locality: GB VC57 Goyt Valley SK0173
09/01/2012	mossysal	Added locality: GB VC57 Goyt Valley
09/01/2012	mossysal	Deleted provenance: exherb (Manchester Museum)
14/01/2016	chrisu	Deleted note: sheet marked P4661 label marked 1612 and 1340 'shines valley' not recognised by google!
14/01/2016	chrisu	Added note: sheet marked P4661 label marked 1612 and 1340 'shines valley' not recognised by google!
14/01/2016	chrisu	Deleted locality: GB VC57 Goyt Valley
14/01/2016	chrisu	Added locality: GB VC57 Goyt Valley SK0177

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mossysal wrote

Google suggests Goyt Valley with its Shining Tor. Derbyshire/Cheshire very much Barrow's territory.

[David Price]

What about the small (un-named on the OS map) valley (SK3352) below Shining Cliff near Alderwasley?

Unless this specimen is only half of a rather tall plant, it doesn't look typical of E. helleborine - the leaves are narrower and appear to be 2-ranked.

[mossysal]

I suppose it is all a bit conjectural, but Barrow was in Buxton the previous week - only about 8km from Shining Tor and the Goyt valley. The Alderwasley site is a bit south of his usual patch.
Which Epipactis were you thinking of? Both sites' features are gritstone and E atropurpurea is not recorded in either of the hectads above and neither are E phyllanthes or E. palustris.......so perhaps just the top of a very tall E. helleborine as you suggest.