Feedback request: Fumaria parviflora (5699)

[kkopp]

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Specimen #323837

Taxon:	Fumariaceae: Fumaria parviflora Lam. ("Fine-leaved Fumitory")
Filed in taxon folder:	Fumariaceae: Fumaria parviflora Lam. ("Fine-leaved Fumitory")
Collection date:	3/1863
Locality:	Great Britain, VC33 East Gloucestershire, Naunton, SP12
ex herb:	Mr Frederick Townsend
Institution:	South London Botanical Institute (SLBI)
Image:
fruits/flowers:	mature flowers
notes:	Based on thankfully received suggestions from David Price and oldnick, provisionally assigning this to the ambiguous "Renton".

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by kkopp on 31^st August 2011.

Edit history

date	user	change
31/08/2011	kkopp	Added note: Based on thankfully received suggestions from David Price and oldnick, provisionally assigning this to the ambiguous "Renton".
31/08/2011	kkopp	Deleted locality:
31/08/2011	kkopp	Added locality: GB AMBIGUOUS Renton
03/09/2011	kkopp	Deleted locality: GB AMBIGUOUS Renton
03/09/2011	kkopp	Added locality: GB VC33 Naunton

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User comments about this sheet

kkopp wrote

Menton? Shenton? Henton? And is this the locale or the collector? Your help is, as always, appreciated...k

[oldnick]

Difficult; maybe Renton; Dumbartonshire NS385785; or Berwickshire - however no other H@H sheets from either;
However, I did find one specimen (also Herb Townsend) from East Reston, Berwickshire http://herbariaunited.org/specimen/316566/ - but 37 years later! I haven't wrestled with handwriting issues

[David Price]

Look at http://herbariaunited.org/specimen/316638/ - same date, same place; and as the Thlaspi is such an uncommon plant it should not be too hard to work out the locality.

[kkopp]

Fascinating. Based on David Price's suggestion based on a specimen collected same month/year by Townsend, I searched all the 259 Thlaspi specimens for their locales and did come across a couple of likely suspects, especially the tantalizing "Kenton" in Dover. Looking at the 122 Fumaria parviflora specimens I likewise came across one or two others, but nothing truly plausible.

Based on the handwriting alone on the two Townsend samples (http://herbariaunited.org/specimen/316638/ and http://herbariaunited.org/sheet/83643/) I think the only supportable resolution is the database's "Renton (Ambiguous locality)". Clearly the Thlaspi specimen is Renton (though assigned to "Newtown" by the prodigious Daniel King) and I cannot see the other not being the same although harder to read.

Thanks, and regards,

k

[David Price]

No. The point about Thlaspi perfoliatum is that, as a native, it is broadly confined to the north Cotswolds. (There is no Renton there - not that I can find a Newton, either). So by that logic there is a place that perfectly fits the bill - Naunton (near Slaughter, where Rev E F Witts rediscovered Thlaspi perfoliatum in 1835).

Naunton SP1123

[kkopp]

Ok, I get that - and thanks for the explanation - but Naunton does not seem to me to be compatible with either of the handwritten renderings, especially from the Thlaspi specimen itself...

[Chris Liffen]

execrable handwriting !

[kkopp]

WELL, there it is, then! Brilliant. Thanks, all...k

[oldnick]

However, I would now say all 4 of these 'Naunton' specimens are from Menton / Mentone on the French Riviera, see: http://herbariaunited.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10030

[Chris Liffen]