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oldnick



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Feedback request: Cephalanthera damasonium (27977) Reply with quote

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Specimen #349431

Taxon:Orchidaceae: Cephalanthera damasonium (Mill.) Druce ("White Helleborine")
Filed in taxon folder:Orchidaceae: Cephalanthera damasonium (Mill.) Druce ("White Helleborine")
Collection date:7/1852
Locality:
communicated:W Barton (?)
ex herb:Prof George Stephen West
William A Mudd
Institution:University of Birmingham (BIRM)
Image:Cephalanthera damasonium herbarium specimen collected in 1852.
fruits/flowers:mature flowers

Documented by xmhcman following initial work by oldnick on 8th December 2012.

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27/11/2013xmhcmanDeleted locality: , Hope nursery Leeming Lane [illegible]
27/11/2013xmhcmanAdded locality: GB VC65 Burneston, Hope nursery [run by William May, seedsman], Leeming Lane [now A6065] SE3185 (place) [illegible]
27/11/2013xmhcmanDeleted collection date: 7/1852
27/11/2013xmhcmanAdded collection date: 7/6/1852
28/11/2013xmhcmanDeleted collection date: 7/6/1852
28/11/2013xmhcmanAdded collection date: 7/1852
30/11/2013oldnickDeleted collector: W Boston
30/11/2013oldnickAdded collector: William A Mudd
30/11/2013wonastowDeleted locality: GB VC65 Burneston, Hope nursery [run by William May, seedsman], Leeming Lane [now A6065] SE3185 (place) [illegible]
30/11/2013wonastowAdded locality:
30/11/2013wonastowDeleted collector: William A Mudd
30/11/2013wonastowAdded provenance: exherb William A Mudd
30/11/2013wonastowAdded provenance: comm (W Barton (?))
30/11/2013wonastowAdded attribute flowerField: flowering

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oldnick wrote
Poor legibility - W Barton? Near Boston? month? Hope nursery Leeming Lane? (cultivated?)


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Roger Horton



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There seems to have been a Hope nursery, run by William May, seedsman, in Leeming Lane [now A6065 alongside A1(M)] at Burneston (SE3185), as advertised in the Gardener's Magazine.
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David Price



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This looks like an Epipactis. The locality is too far north for the native distribution of Cephalanthera damasonium.

The date is not "7 June" but "7 Mo" i.e. July in Quaker orthography.

I think the handwriting is that of William Mudd.
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Roger Horton



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have edited the date. Here's an enhanced image of the label:

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David Price



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope Nursery is very near Mudd's birthplace at Thornton Watlass where he lived until he was 20 in 1850 when he moved to Darlington.
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oldnick



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it must be Burneston, and I completely agree with the view it's one of W Mudd's labels - am editing in.
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David Price



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cephalanthera damasonium does not grow wild in Yorkshire.

There is no unequivocal statement of the name of the collector. W B (Barton or Boston?) merely sent the spmn to Mudd. Was it a gardener to gardener transaction (or botanist to botanist)?

If it is Cephalanthera was it in cultivation? Was Hope Nursery merely the address of WB?

If it is an Epipactis it could have been native at Burneston.

But to which taxon was Mudd referring? Who is the authority?

This is a problematic specimen.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear yes I see - what I took to be an abbreviated 'Near Burneston' is probably a W Burton or Barton after all. (Leeming Lane also runs for some miles and has currently at least, numerous nurseries along it).
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