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[oldnick]

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Specimen #331783

Taxon:	Rosaceae: Rubus saxatilis L. ("Stone Bramble")
Filed in taxon folder:	Rosaceae: Rubus saxatilis L. ("Stone Bramble")
Collection date:	8/1871
Locality:	Great Britain, VC87 West Perthshire, Loch Lubnaig, NN51, Shore of Loch Lubnaig foot of Ben Ledi
ex herb:	Mr Frederick Thompson Mott Mr William Hadden Beeby
Institution:	South London Botanical Institute (SLBI)
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Documented by oldnick on 28^th December 2011.

Specimen #331784

Taxon:	Rosaceae: Rubus saxatilis L. ("Stone Bramble")
Filed in taxon folder:	Rosaceae: Rubus saxatilis L. ("Stone Bramble")
Collected by:	Tom Drummond
Collection date:	26/8/1875
Locality:	Great Britain, VC85 Fifeshire, Lethonsden, [see message board!]
ex herb:	Mr William Hadden Beeby
Institution:	South London Botanical Institute (SLBI)
fruits/flowers:	seeds/fruits

Documented by oldnick on 28^th December 2011.

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date	user	change
09/01/2012	oldnick	Deleted locality: GB VC85 [illegible]
09/01/2012	oldnick	Added locality: GB VC85 Lethonsden, [see message board!]
09/01/2012	oldnick	Added attribute flowerField: fruiting

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oldnick wrote

I couldn't read the Fifeshire site name

[Chris Liffen]

from J of Botany
Rubus saxatilis, Linn. "Lethonsden, Fife, August, 1875."--T. Drummond. Nicely in fruit. ...

[oldnick]

Thanks; I haven't succeeded in finding the site, however a group of places named Lethans and similar is North of Dunfermline, in NT09

[Chris Liffen]

See also Simpson's bibliographic
(Rubus saxatilis, Lethonsden) Report of Botanical Exchange Club for 1875; T. R. A. Briggs Journal of Botany XIV (1876)
274.
It is curious, it is clearly written on the sheet and referred to in the two texts above BUT does not appear anywhere else - not even Genuki Gazeteer.
In Fife, there is a place called Lathones -

OS Grid reference NO474086

[oldnick]

Or maybe, since 'den' names (wooded glen) are usually witten in this style, Den of Letham? The name Letham recurs in Fifeshire, eg Letham Hill Wood E of Inverkeithing, near Queensferry looks suitable, and there's a Letham Glen near Leven apparently. Drummond has no other Fifeshire specimens in h@h