Feedback request: Orchis morio (13971)

[dawn nelson]

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Specimen #332217

Taxon:	Orchidaceae: Orchis morio L. ("Green-winged Orchid")
Filed in taxon folder:	Orchidaceae: Orchis morio L. ("Green-winged Orchid")
Collected by:	Mr Isaac A Helsby
Collection date:	5/1922
Locality:	Great Britain, VC20 Hertfordshire, Watford, TQ0993, Sandy Lodge
ex herb:	Mr Isaac A Helsby
Institution:	South London Botanical Institute (SLBI)
Image:
fruits/flowers:	mature flowers

Documented by dawn nelson on 2^nd January 2012.

Checked by oldnick

Edit history

date	user	change
03/01/2012	dawn nelson	Deleted locality: , Sandy Lodge
03/01/2012	dawn nelson	Added locality: GB VC30 Sandy, Sandy Lodge
04/01/2012	dawn nelson	Deleted locality: GB VC30 Sandy, Sandy Lodge
04/01/2012	dawn nelson	Added locality: GB VC20 Watford, Sandy Lodge TQ0993 (place)

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User comments about this sheet

dawn nelson wrote

does anyone know where Sandy Lodge is did Helsby live there?

[Chris Liffen]

is not Sandy Lodge the HQ of the RSPB ?

[dawn nelson]

Why didn't that come up for me on google? So at least we know there was a Sandy Lodge at Sandy but is it Helsby's Sandy Lode?

[Chris Liffen]

I see that 'old nick' has opted for this
http://herbariaunited.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7818
but who knows !

[dawn nelson]

yes I found that and a couple of others and have messaged Nick (no reply yet) do you know where abouts Helsby lived?

[Chris Liffen]

His year of death is given as 1941 (on the database), but there is no record for Helsby in that year.
1940 is nearest - and that "I. Helsby" died in Watford Registration District.
C

[dawn nelson]

seems like it was his patch then so I shall edit accordingly.
Thanks again for you invaluable help.
Dawn

[Chris Liffen]

Yes - looking at the distribution of his sheets - the "epicentre" is roughly that area.

[David Price]

There is a Sandy Lodge (now a golf course) at TQ0993 next to Merchant Taylors' School, Northwood, and close to Oxhey which, judged by its position at the centre of concentration of Helsby's records, I hazard to have been his home patch.

[dawn nelson]

thanks, I found that one, but it isn't Bedfordshire.

[Chris Liffen]

If the Watford Helsby is the right one, then his profession was recorded as a draughtsman / engineer in various census returns. Place of birth - Lancashire.
He lived at Kingsfield Road, Watford and probate was granted to Frederick George Helsby and Elizabeth Helsby.

[David Price]

Dawn - where does Helsby record that Sandy Lodge is in Beds?

[dawn nelson]

You're right, I must have gone round in so many circles trying to find it that I lost track of the original!
So it could be either location, unless we can find out more about him.

[dawn nelson]

If the Watford Helsby is our one then that does seem more likely, not that Sandy is very far away though.

[David Price]

Brassica rapa L. http://herbariaunited.org/specimen/312954/ was also collected by Helsby in "May 1922" at Hamper Mill which is the other side of the A4125 from Sandy Lodge.

Not quite QED but halfway there!