Feedback request: Rubus chrysoxylon (14552)

[oldnick]

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Specimen #332331

Taxon:	Rosaceae: Rubus chrysoxylon (W.M. Rogers) W.M. Rogers
Filed in taxon folder:	Rosaceae: Rubus chrysoxylon (W.M. Rogers) W.M. Rogers
Collected by:	Mr John Edwards Griffith
Collection date:	21/8/1905
Locality:	Great Britain, VC49 Caernarvonshire, Bangor, SH57, Nant Offeren
communicated:	Rev William Moyle Rogers
ex herb:	Mr Allan Octavian Hume
exchanged:	Watson Botanical Exchange Club
Institution:	South London Botanical Institute (SLBI)
Image:
collector's number:	14607

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by a.o.chater following initial work by oldnick on 5^th January 2012.

Checked by oldnick

Edit history

date	user	change
11/06/2014	oldnick	Deleted locality: GB VC44,VC46 Bangor, Nant Offeren
11/06/2014	oldnick	Added locality: GB VC49 Bangor, Nant Offeren
11/06/2014	oldnick	Deleted provenance: exherb Rev William Moyle Rogers
11/06/2014	oldnick	Added provenance: comm Rev William Moyle Rogers
11/06/2014	oldnick	Added provenance: exherb Mr Allan Octavian Hume
11/06/2014	oldnick	Added attribute collector's number: 14607

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User comments about this sheet

oldnick wrote

I couldn't locate 'Nant Offeren'. This label potentially holds the key to a VC for at least some of the many sheets from 'Bangor, Ambiguous Locality' since it gives a clue at least to those specimens collected by J E Griffith.

[David Price]

Griffith was a Bangor man usually known (in the Welsh manner) as J E Griffith, Bangor; his Bangor is unequivocally in vc49 Caerns.

Sometimes "coll. J E Griffith, Bangor" is wrongly taken to mean that the plant was collected in Bangor.

This spmn is labelled "Loc...... near Bangor"; vc49 (SH57) but I can't find Nant Offeren.

[Chris Liffen]

[oldnick]

I've re-edited from VC44,VC46, Bangor, SN33, to VC49 Caerns.

[David Price]

"I notice that there is a "Nant Uffern" near the Railway Station at Bangor, North Wales. ...... It seems now Nant Uffern in Bangor is Nant Offeren."
http://www.terrynorm.ic24.net/place%20names.htm

A Victorian euphemism - the Welsh "Uffern" is Hell; "Offeren" is the RC Mass!