Feedback request: Saxifraga hypnoides (19699)

[oldnick]

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Specimen #339091

Taxon:	Saxifragaceae: Saxifraga hypnoides L. ("Mossy Saxifrage")
Filed in taxon folder:	Saxifragaceae: Saxifraga hypnoides L. ("Mossy Saxifrage")
Collected by:	Mr William Gardiner
Collection date:	7/1844
Locality:	Great Britain, VC92 South Aberdeenshire, Glen Callater, NO18, Rocky banks.
ex herb:	Mr Allan Octavian Hume
Institution:	South London Botanical Institute (SLBI)
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collector's number:	27751
fruits/flowers:	mature flowers

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Documented by johned on 14^th June 2012.

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date	user	change
17/11/2012	oldnick	Added attribute collector's number: 27751

Specimen #339092

Taxon:	Saxifragaceae: Saxifraga hypnoides L. ("Mossy Saxifrage")
Filed in taxon folder:	Saxifragaceae: Saxifraga hypnoides L. ("Mossy Saxifrage")
Collected by:	Joseph Woods
Collection date:	20/7/1855
Locality:	Ireland, Ambiguous locality (IE), Carrick, Lock [ie on canal] or Loch (Goil Argyleshire? - added by F Townsend) near Carrick [likely to be Carrick-on-Suir, see message board]
ex herb:	Mr Allan Octavian Hume
Institution:	South London Botanical Institute (SLBI)
collector's number:	607
fruits/flowers:	seeds/fruits

Documented by johned on 14^th June 2012.

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date	user	change
17/11/2012	oldnick	Deleted locality: GB VC98 Loch Goil, Near Carrick.
17/11/2012	oldnick	Added locality: IE AMBIGUOUS Carrick, Loch (Goil?) near Carrick [see message board!]
25/05/2015	oldnick	Deleted locality: IE AMBIGUOUS Carrick, Loch (Goil?) near Carrick [see message board!]
25/05/2015	oldnick	Added locality: IE AMBIGUOUS Carrick, Lock [ie on canal] or Loch (Goil Argyleshire? - added by F Townsend) near Carrick [likely to be Carrick-on-Suir, see message board]

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oldnick wrote

Carrick specimen - 'Goil?' and 'Argyleshire?' have been added in Townsend's handwriting; but Woods' other collections around this date were from Ireland

[Roger Horton]

As Woods was in Tramore three days later this could be Carrick-on-Suir, about 25km NW, S4522. There is no loch or lough, but there is a canal, so this may read 'Lock'.

[oldnick]

Thanks - have edited in

[David Price]

A canal lock at Carrick on Suir seems a very unlikely habitat for this plant but beside a Loch in the nearby Comeragh Mountains is more plausible - probably in S31 where New Atlas has an old record.

[Chris Liffen]

The Phytologist, vol 1 - letter from Joseph Woods.

[Roger Horton]

I wonder if Woods is getting confused with 40-acre Irish loughs from before and after his train journey?

Saxifraga hypnoides is now listed in the Flora of County Waterford as being found only in the Comeragh Mountains, one site being Coumshingaun, where there is Lough Coumshingaun S329108.

Loch/Lough Looscannagh, is in County Kerry V884793.

This map shows them both.

Half a century later the former was a local attraction. The tourist oriented "The Sunny Side of Ireland, how to see it by the Great Southern and Western Railway" (1902) says: "From Carrick, a drive of eight miles brings us to Lough Coumshinawn, a lonely tarn lying high among the Comeragh mountains, on one side of which the cliff rises perpendicularly to a height of seven hundred feet."

[David Price]

Unless "Lough Looscannagh" is a local name in the Commeragh Mts, unmentioned on modern maps, Woods is mistaken.

Looscannagh Lough is in Killarney. Woods had indeed been in Co. Kerry during this July 1855 trip; remarkably, as he was nearly 80 years old; but seems to have confused the name with, perhaps, Coumshingaun Lough or another.