Feedback request: Holcus lanatus (200705181509_7765)

[oldnick]

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Specimen #242786

Taxon:	Poaceae: Holcus lanatus L. ("Yorkshire-fog")
Filed in taxon folder:	Poaceae: Holcus lanatus L. ("Yorkshire-fog")
Collected by:	D J Bartley
Collection date:	7/1961
Locality:	Great Britain, VC46 Cardiganshire, Aberystwyth, SN58, [see user comment!], (altitude 400ft)
Institution:	Aberystwyth University Herbarium (ABS)
Image:
Tags:	collectors number: 46
notes:	Roadside, 52 deg N; 18 deg W.

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by johnhawksford on 30^th December 2007.

Edit history

date	user	change
21/01/2011	oldnick	Deleted blank locality
21/01/2011	oldnick	Added locality: GB VC46 Aberystwyth, [see user comment!]
21/01/2011	oldnick	Deleted collector: J D Burnett
21/01/2011	oldnick	Added collector: D J B
08/01/2016	oldnick	Deleted collector: D J B
08/01/2016	oldnick	Added collector: D J Bartley (D J Bartley)
11/01/2016	xmhcman	Added tag collectors number: 46
04/02/2016	chrisu	Deleted note: Roadside at 400 feet, 52 deg N; 18 deg W.
04/02/2016	chrisu	Added note: Roadside, 52 deg N; 18 deg W.
04/02/2016	chrisu	Deleted locality: GB VC46 Aberystwyth, [see user comment!]
04/02/2016	chrisu	Added locality: GB VC46 Aberystwyth, [see user comment!] altitude: 400ft

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User comments about this sheet

oldnick wrote

Does this label indicate collected at Aberystwyth? I have tentatively entered this - the map co-ordinates for Aberystwyth are 52.414°N 4.081°W (18°W would probably be just above the Titanic!?) Collector - J D Burnett has been entered - Is D J B in fact this person? 'J D Burnett' has no other specimens in H@H - a very similar sheet http://herbariaunited.org/specimen/243226/ also initialled DJB, has been entered as 'Janet D Butler'.

[Tom Humphrey]

There are a lot of sheets labelled O J B and D J B with the same unusual localisation. I doubt there is any link with J D Burnett or Butler.

I should think they are collections by a student at Aberystwyth from the local area. If anyone wants to lay claim to collecting these then it would solve the mystery

[oldnick]

Note by Arthur Chater, which I would consider reliable: D J Bartley

[chrisu]

does this mean that the 40 or so specimens attributed to O J B are in fact D J Bartley too?

[oldnick]

Yes, and it looks to me like a 'D' however to re-edit such a large number of specimens would be rather brave unless beyond any doubt. My particular reason for saying Arthur Chater is reliable is that he collected in the same area at the same time, so I think his note was probably based on personal knowledge

[Roger Horton]

As this is the only sheet from 'D J Bartley' best option would be:
(1) edit the collector here to 'O J B'
(2) edit collector 'O J B' to 'D J Bartley'

BUT: the OJB collector page says 'Possibly Jean Brooks', probably on the strength of sheet 271681 where there is a long written note by Jean Brooks and a label with these cryptic initials.

All the sheets from this/these collector(s) dated 7/1961, and from either Aberystwyth or Kington, Herefordshire.

Sheet 243226 with these initials has been recorded under 'Janet D Butler' but this collector seems unlikely as her other sheets bear six-digit grid references!

Interesting that Arthur Chater can suggest a name for this collector. He was using six-digit grid references at least as early as 1953!