Feedback request: Orchis morio (27710)

[hallucigenia]

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Specimen #296797

Taxon:	Orchidaceae: Orchis morio L. ("Green-winged Orchid") named by James B Phipps 24/8/1956
Filed in taxon folder:	Orchidaceae: Orchis morio L. ("Green-winged Orchid")
Collected by:	Prof William Hillhouse
Collection date:	31/5/1876
Locality:	Great Britain, VC30 Bedfordshire, Harrowden, TL072474, (altitude 99ft)
ex herb:	Prof William Hillhouse
Institution:	University of Birmingham (BIRM)
Image:
notes:	1296

Documented by hallucigenia on 2^nd May 2010.

Edit history

date	user	change
03/05/2010	hallucigenia	Deleted locality: GB VC32 Harrowden
03/05/2010	hallucigenia	Added locality: GB VC30 Harrowden TL072474 (place)precision 2km altitude: 99ft
03/05/2010	hallucigenia	Deleted collector: Prof William Hillhouse
03/05/2010	hallucigenia	Added collector: William A Mudd
03/05/2010	hallucigenia	Deleted locality: GB VC30 Harrowden TL072474 (place)precision 2km altitude: 99ft
03/05/2010	hallucigenia	Added locality: GB VC30 Harrowden TL072474 (place) altitude: 99ft
03/05/2010	hallucigenia	Deleted collector: William A Mudd
03/05/2010	hallucigenia	Added collector: Prof William Hillhouse

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User comments about this sheet

hallucigenia wrote

I am not happy this was collected by Hillhouse signature seems wrong,and not his hand. It could be W M, William Mudd surely wrong? there seems to have been no connection between them. This also seems to say Harrowden Northamptonshire but Hillhouse was in Bedfordshire on this date, comments?

[Mike d'Apice]

It does look very much like Mudd's writing eg another Orchis from 20 years earlier at
http://herbariaunited.org/sheets/BIRM/27674.jpg and others all look more or less like yours...

Mudd's biography at

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:871FYwoej0gJ:www.the-vasculum.com/nats_archive/nats93.doc+Mudd+William+1830-1879+obituary&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

has him leaving Cleveland moving to Cambridge after 1864 and so not impossible for him - bet there will be others as he surely didn't give up collecting in 1862 as the H@H records so far seem to suggest until your one turns up.... Mike d'A

[Chris Liffen]

There is a Harrowden just outside Bedford - as opposed to Great Harrowden, which the H@H pop up seems to reference.
(Incidentally, there is a brief biog of Mudd here http://herbariaunited.org/wiki/William_A_Mudd ; Mudd used the Quaker conventions for date)

OS Grid reference TL065475

[hallucigenia]

Many Thanks to you both, it is this sort of thing that makes H@H so interesting.
I have amended the sheet with Mudd as collector etc. but left,and added a further note "in case".
Thank you for putting flesh on Mudd's bones not sure if we would have got on, suspect not, but what would he have achieved with better chances!
Chris

[Chris Liffen]

If it were Mudd, then the date would be in the Quaker format - which it is not. Also, the writing looks like that of Hillhouse - to compare his hand writing with that of Mudd see the attached jpg.
Regards
Chris