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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:03 pm    Post subject: Feedback request: Polystichum lonchitus (K000790408) Reply with quote

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Specimen #342157

Taxon:Dryopteridaceae: Polystichum aculeatum (L.) Roth ("Hard Shield-fern")
Other name:Dryopteridaceae: Polystichum lonchitis (L.) Roth ("Holly-fern")
Filed in taxon folder:Dryopteridaceae: Polystichum lonchitis (L.) Roth ("Holly-fern")
Collected by:Dr Henry Francois Devis
Collection date:22/8/1878
Locality:Great Britain, VC48 Merionethshire, Cader Idris, SH71, rocks
Institution:Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew (K)
Accession number:K000790408
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Polystichum aculeatum herbarium specimen from Cader Idris, VC48 Merionethshire in 1878 by Dr Henry Francois Devis.

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Documented by oldnick on 3rd August 2012.

Checked by mossysal

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05/08/2012mossysalDeleted determination (orig): Polystichum lonchitus
05/08/2012mossysalAdded determination (orig): Polystichum lonchitis
05/08/2012mossysalAdded determination (orig): Polystichum aculeatum
05/08/2012mossysalDeleted determination (orig): Polystichum lonchitis
05/08/2012mossysalDeleted determination (orig): Polystichum aculeatum
05/08/2012mossysalAdded determination (orig): Polystichum lonchitis
05/08/2012mossysalAdded determination (orig): Polystichum aculeatum

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oldnick wrote
P lonchitis, or possibly an Asplenium? eg A trichomanes ssp pachyrachis?


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mossysal



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly a Polystichum, I would say - not Asplenium with those acuminate teeth.
There is an old record of P lonchitis from Cader, too: though this looks atypical, it's possible. I would tend to think it a young form of P aculeatum. Thanks for flagging it up.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could this be a 20th century label, and hence the year 1978 rather than 1878? Otherwise HF Devis seems to have had a long life span, unless father and son.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might be 22/8/1918 which would fit with Devis' floreat dates (1900 - 1930).

There's a Kew 1930 stamp, so it's not 1978.
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oldnick



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This presumably could be a mistranscription, unlikely though that must be, as a'1' is usually written with no descender, as well as no horizontal. Seems to me a mystery!?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK - I now agree this is 1878. All the Kew sheets from Devis appear to have the red printed labels, presumably filled in by Devis himself. The Birmingham sheets on the other hand are associated with Harold Stuart Thompson who seems to have written the labels. Looking through the 'red' labels I don't think there is a chance of confusing 1 with 7, although the 7 sometimes has a cupped top making it look like 4. Often the figure 8 is written like an S without the two loops being completed (which seems to be a 19th century fashion), and easily distinguished from 3 which is always formed by two open curves.

There are apparently several hundred Devis specimens in the Kew herbarium so more evidence may come to light soon.
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