Feedback request: Carex dioica (1133341)

[Stephen Lemon]

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Specimen #388723

Taxon:	Cyperaceae: Carex dioica L. ("Dioecious Sedge")
Filed in taxon folder:	Cyperaceae: Carex dioica L. ("Dioecious Sedge")
Collected by:	Rev. Samuel Goodenough
Collection date:	1803
Locality:	Great Britain, [There are no location details provided and there is obvious connection between this specimen and Hugh Davies specimens 2 on this sheet]
ex herb:	Rev. Hugh Davies
Institution:	Natural History Museum (BM)
Accession number:	1133341
Image:
fruits/flowers:	mature flowers

Documented by stephen lemon on 27^th March 2015.

Specimen #388724

Taxon:	Cyperaceae: Carex dioica L. ("Dioecious Sedge")
Filed in taxon folder:	Cyperaceae: Carex dioica L. ("Dioecious Sedge")
Collected by:	Rev. Hugh Davies
Collection date:	1814 Date of publication referred to.
Locality:	Great Britain, VC52 Anglesey, Anglesey, SH47, No precise location is given in Welsh Botanology where Davies found the specimens on Anglesey. He refers to the species as common in the country.
ex herb:	Rev. Hugh Davies
Institution:	Natural History Museum (BM)
Accession number:	1133341
fruits/flowers:	seeds/fruits
notes:	Carex dioica? See Welsh Botanology. p. 84 [Davies reference to C. dioica in Welsh Botanology is only to query whether the round stemmed C. dioica he is familiar with (which presumably include the specimens here) are the same as those of other writers, who refer to the stems being three angled. C. dioica does have rounded stems and his specimens here look like C. dioica.]

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by stephen lemon on 27^th March 2015.

Specimen #388725

Taxon:	Cyperaceae: Carex dioica L. ("Dioecious Sedge")
Filed in taxon folder:	Cyperaceae: Carex dioica L. ("Dioecious Sedge")
Collection date:	6/1829
Locality:	Great Britain, VC49 Caernarvonshire, Snowdon, SH65, North Wales (M. Snowdon) June 1829 sent from friend Fischer. [A translation of the latin text on the label]
ex herb:	Robert James Shuttleworth
Institution:	Natural History Museum (BM)
Accession number:	1133341
fruits/flowers:	seeds/fruits
notes:	[The reference to the specimen being sent by Fischer is possibly to Friedrich Ernest Ludwig von Fischer, Director of the Botanic Garden in St Petersburg. The date on this specimen's label suggests it is unconnected to the other specimens on the sheet as both collectors of the other specimens were deceased by this time.]

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by stephen lemon on 27^th March 2015.

Edit history

date	user	change
02/04/2015	stephen lemon	Deleted note: [The label is written in latin and further clarification is required as to whether there are more details on the precise location and collector.]
02/04/2015	stephen lemon	Added note: [The reference to the specimen being sent by Fischer is possibly to Friedrich Ernest Ludwig von Fischer, Director of the Botanic Garden in St Petersburg. The date on this specimen's label suggests it is unconnected to the other specimens on the sheet as both collectors of the other specimens were deceased by this time.]
02/04/2015	stephen lemon	Deleted locality: GB VC49 Snowdon, M. Snowdon
02/04/2015	stephen lemon	Added locality: GB VC49 Snowdon, North Wales (M. Snowdon) June 1829 sent from friend Fischer. [A translation of the latin text on the label]

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User comments about this sheet

stephen lemon wrote

Can anyone help translate the latin text here which possibly also contains more specific details on the location and collector.

[David Price]

"North Wales (Mt Snowdon) June 1829. Sent by [amicess] Fischer."

I don't recognise the the word [amicess] - it doesn't grammatically fit the phrase - or whom is intended by "Fischer".

[Stephen Lemon]

Thanks David.

[Chris Liffen]

Sent from (my) friend Fischer ?

Missa ab amicus Fischer

[Stephen Lemon]

Thanks. It does look like it could "amicuss", so a variation/bad spelling of "amicus".

[Chris Liffen]

Yes, bit of dodgy spelling and indeed 'latin'

[David Price]

You may have sorted out the Weltin [should have been 'amico' if friend was intended] but who is Fischer?

[Chris Liffen]

Indeed, even my recollection of 3rd form Latin suggests ab takes the ablative case - missus ab amico Fischer, but perhaps as casual over the Latin as place name spellings etc.

R J Shuttleworth was seemingly based in Berne, and carried on 'conversations' with various people across the Continent - so it is possible that Fischer was Friedrich Ernest Ludwig von Fischer - Director of the Botanic Garden at St Petersburg


Report of the Botanical Soc (Edinburgh) Vol 2, 1837/8.

[David Price]

This plant was collected in Snowdon after the deaths of both Davies and Goodenough. Who then collected it and how might it have reached St Petersburg? I wonder if George Bentham was involved.

[Stephen Lemon]

Thanks, I have updated the references for this specimen with the additional information both of you have provided.