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[mossysal]

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Specimen #298370

Taxon:	Poaceae: Molinia caerulea (L.) Moench ("Purple Moor-grass")
Filed in taxon folder:	Poaceae: Molinia caerulea (L.) Moench ("Purple Moor-grass")
Locality:	Great Britain, VC58 Cheshire, Bidston Hill, SJ28
ex herb:	Mantua And Montferrat (Prince Of Mantua And Montserrat)
Institution:	Bolton Museum (BON)
Accession number:	30-07-24853
Image:
fruits/flowers:	mature flowers

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by mossysal following initial work by mary martin on 16^th May 2010.

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date	user	change
17/05/2010	mossysal	Deleted locality: GB VC40
17/05/2010	mossysal	Deleted locality: GB VC49,VC52 Menai Bridge [illegible]
17/05/2010	mossysal	Deleted provenance: exherb Prince Of Mantua & Montferrat (Prince of Mantua & Montferrat)
17/05/2010	mossysal	Added provenance: exherb Mantua And Montferrat (Prince Of Mantua And Montserrat)
17/05/2010	mossysal	Deleted collection date: 19/8/1835
17/05/2010	mossysal	Deleted note: 7 specimens with 4 labels 3 giving location & the other a date.

Specimen #298405

Taxon:	Poaceae: Molinia caerulea (L.) Moench ("Purple Moor-grass")
Filed in taxon folder:	Poaceae: Molinia caerulea (L.) Moench ("Purple Moor-grass")
Collected by:	Rev. William Allport Leighton
Locality:	Great Britain, VC52 Anglesey, Menai Bridge, SH57
ex herb:	Mantua And Montferrat (Prince Of Mantua And Montserrat)
Institution:	Bolton Museum (BON)
Accession number:	30-07-24853

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by mossysal on 17^th May 2010.

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date	user	change
19/05/2010	<system> (minor automatic edit)	Deleted provenance: exherb Mantua And Montferrat (Prince Of Mantua And Montserrat)
19/05/2010	alex lockton	Added collector: Rev. William Allport Leighton
19/05/2010	<system> (minor automatic edit)	Added provenance: exherb Prince Of Mantua And Montserrat (Prince of Mantua and Montserrat)
10/11/2012	oldnick	Deleted locality: GB VC52 Menai Bridge
10/11/2012	oldnick	Added locality: GB VC52 Menai Bridge

Specimen #298406

Taxon:	Poaceae: Molinia caerulea (L.) Moench ("Purple Moor-grass")
Filed in taxon folder:	Poaceae: Molinia caerulea (L.) Moench ("Purple Moor-grass")
Collection date:	19/8/1835
Locality:	Great Britain, VC40 Shropshire, Bomere Pool, SJ40
ex herb:	Charles Ottley Groom
Institution:	Bolton Museum (BON)
Accession number:	30-07-24853

Inferred details are marked.

Documented by mossysal on 17^th May 2010.

Edit history

date	user	change
19/05/2010	alex lockton	Deleted provenance: exherb Mantua And Montferrat (Prince Of Mantua And Montserrat)
19/05/2010	alex lockton	Added provenance: exherb Mantua & Montferrat, H R H The Prince [Duke] of
19/05/2010	<system> (minor automatic edit)	Deleted provenance: exherb Mantua & Montferrat, H R H The Prince [Duke] of
19/05/2010	<system> (minor automatic edit)	Added provenance: exherb Charles Ottley Groom

Specimen #298407

Taxon:	Poaceae: Molinia caerulea (L.) Moench ("Purple Moor-grass")
Filed in taxon folder:	Poaceae: Molinia caerulea (L.) Moench ("Purple Moor-grass")
Locality:	Great Britain, Ambiguous locality (GB), Shapwick
ex herb:	Mantua And Montferrat (Prince Of Mantua And Montserrat)
Institution:	Bolton Museum (BON)
Accession number:	30-07-24853

Documented by mossysal on 17^th May 2010.

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mossysal wrote

cf http://herbariaunited.org/specimen/286834/ Is at least the Bomere pool specimen collected by Rev Leighton?

[oldnick]

I don't feel sure what all the options are, but the Menai Bridge & Shapwick (probably Somerset, given the species) label seems to me the usual scruffy writing of C O Groom-Napier alias Prince of M&M; the Bomere is marginally neater & not in the usual pencil, but notice the similar capital M as well as the ink numbers 5, 6, 7 on each label as per Bomere date; and handwriting of caerulea. So you definitely can say M&M x 3; plus the l-h label Bidston Hill (Cheshire) which I think could be Andrew Kerr's writing, except I can't find anything else of his from Cheshire

[David Price]

The Bidston Hill specimen: Bidston appears to have been better known then than now - http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?cgroupid=999999961&workid=3664&searchid=16085&roomid=false&tabview=text&texttype=8

See http://herbariaunited.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3984 : could this Molinia perhaps have been collected by John Ansell?

[oldnick]

Collector: Ansell's Armeria (Bidston marsh) and the Molinia (Bidston Hill) handwriting are very similar in the M though less in the B; Ansell's S is much more spikey.
(Ansell's very spikey A & S remind me also of some handwriting I've just cropped, Henry Ibbotson's, see:
http://herbariaunited.org/collector/2705/ . All these 3 are sloping to very sloping. One could argue an affinity of Ibbotson's W to the M of the other 2 etc. Ibbotson's area includes Cheshire).
The reason I started a hunt ending in Ibbotson, was the number of BON specimens (especially Prince of M&M's) that lack the collector's name, or site, date etc. I was also coming up against labels written by other than the collector. I may put this on the message board 'Help Needed'.
To come full circle to Sarah, another collector whose handwriting is much in the same group (he has no collections from Cheshire) is W A Leighton:
http://herbariaunited.org/specimen/298120/